Can we stop having articles bashing Baby Flyers?!

"MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner" (montegoman562) 11/25/2013 at 14:10 • Filed to: BABY FLYERS

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I'm getting pretty sick and tired of all the bullshit stop flying with baby's, don't fly with them at night, etc. posts.

Can we talk about cars?

COME ON

http://jalopnik.com/stop-letting-b…

Oh and btw I'm back from my vacation, and my 10 month old son was complimented on both flights for being so well behaved. I work my ass off to make your flight more comfortable. If some parents don't they suck. But it isn't my fault.

William Byrd > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:12

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Agreed. Most commentors causing the most commotion don't have kids, that's pretty certain. I have a boy due in March. I plan to take him along with us to Italy this summer/fall.

I've never really had an issue with it, noise canceling headphones are fantastic.

For Sweden > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:13

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How else are we going to feel superior to the breeders?

Jagvar > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:15

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Babies aren't terrible people.

Horses are terrible people.

CalzoneGolem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:15

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They should charge fat people more to fly though, amirite?

If I never fly on a commercial plane again I will be happy. Worse traveling experiences of my life and it has nothing to do with babies.

davedave1111 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:16

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"I work my ass off to make your flight more comfortable. If some parents don't they suck."

It's the ones who don't bother that piss people off. As you say, parents who actually work at it have quiet babies on planes. Which is why we need to keep spreading the word until everyone fucking gets it.

It's about time they started investigating the can't-be-bothered parents for child abuse and/or neglect, because if they can't be bothered to do the things necessary for a baby to fly comfortably and safely, what else aren't they bothering with?

CalzoneGolem > For Sweden 11/25/2013 at 14:17

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By looking at your bank account.

ncasolowork2 > William Byrd 11/25/2013 at 14:17

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As a parent of a 14 month old I would encourage you to leave the child at home because you'll need the break. That's only if you've got parents or siblings you can leave your child with and feel good about it though. Otherwise good luck. People have told you kids are a lot of work. They lied. Kids are more work than 2 full time jobs. I love my son but holy shit I wasn't ready for this.(ps I'm 33 years old too)

For Sweden > CalzoneGolem 11/25/2013 at 14:18

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[looks]

Money's going to booze, not the future of society.

William Byrd > William Byrd 11/25/2013 at 14:18

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edit: oops, replied to myself.

William Byrd > ncasolowork2 11/25/2013 at 14:18

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This will be my 3rd! :)

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:18

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I've never had a problem with kids, whether it be on planes, trains or restaurants. If I happen to be somewhere and there's a baby/kid crying I simply talk with them (the baby that is, not the parent(s)). I'm not sure what it is about me that makes babys/kids stop crying, but it works.. they tend to start laughing rather fast. Problem solved. And who can resist a laughing baby?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CalzoneGolem 11/25/2013 at 14:19

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They should. I hate to say it but if you don't fit in one seat you need to pay for two.

My father in law is a really, really big dude. like had gastric bypass and weighs 350 now after losing 175 pounds.

If he has to fly somewhere, he buys two seats.

William Byrd > CalzoneGolem 11/25/2013 at 14:19

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As a parent, FU!

As an oppo contributor, LOL! hahaha

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CalzoneGolem 11/25/2013 at 14:19

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Which I gaurantee has more funds lol

ncasolowork2 > William Byrd 11/25/2013 at 14:20

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Well then. you have a full understanding of what is in store for you. Leave all 3 of them home! I have no qualms any more about flying with children. I've reached the "crying doesn't bother me phase" of parenting.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:20

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I don't have kids, and I have to agree.

Can we just ban terrible parents instead? It would solve loads of problems.

timateo81 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:20

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we as a society collectively pay taxes so that we can share in the benefit of certain essential services.

we as a society collectively share seats in an airliner so that we can fly wherever we want whenever we want for a reasonable amount of money.

we as a society collectively have babies so that society can continue...having babies.

AND FINALLY... flying sucks on a good day. my son's not ruining your shark tank interview so shut it.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:20

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I don't have kids, and I have to agree.

Can we just ban terrible parents instead? It would solve loads of problems.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > For Sweden 11/25/2013 at 14:20

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By purchasing 2 seater cars with less safety features?

...even my classic car/fun car I planned for it to have a back seat!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > timateo81 11/25/2013 at 14:21

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LOL about the shark tank interview

rad_mike > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:21

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No shit. I accidentally started this shit show and I'm still getting tips about how I should "for everyone else's sake, adjust my kids sleeping schedule so that I can ensure my kid will be asleep in the air". Silly me, I didn't realize it was just that easy, like setting the coffee pot to start at 6:00 AM. GTFAC.

http://jalopnik.com/have-a-baby-a-…

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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 11/25/2013 at 14:21

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I'm with that.

EL_ULY > For Sweden 11/25/2013 at 14:21

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robots of course, preferably with ninja skills

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Jagvar 11/25/2013 at 14:21

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Damn horses...

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 11/25/2013 at 14:22

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Somehow I got a look at one point because we had him laughing his ass off.

You clearly don't understand life if you are annoyed by baby laughter.

E30Joe drives a Subaru > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:24

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That article could be shortened to "I don't like when the world doesn't revolve around me"

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > davedave1111 11/25/2013 at 14:25

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There's a lot of it. I rocked him side to side so long during our landing last night I have some sore muscles, but I kept him calm and quiet.

It's what you do, I'm not asking people to thank me for it after we land. It's one of those no need to thank me, it was the right thing to do things. We work hard, we give him a bottle on take off and landing (if he's awake) so his ears will pop.

People were loudly talking next to a sleeping baby when they boarded. Are you f-ing kidding me? If you wake him up chatting with your flying partner because you couldn't use an inside voice on the airplane while standing directly next to a sleeping baby, I'm going to come sit next to you all flight. lol

DrJohannVegas > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:32

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Bottom line: It's a shitty, whiny little article, but it's not about you. You aren't the problem. Don't make it about you. "Problem" solved.

There are lots of areas in life where a small portion of the population can handle their shit properly, but the inability of the vast majority to do so leads to legislated/regulated outcomes. The same logic applies here. If the problem was bad enough (it's not.), then airlines would do something (they haven't, obviously.) about it.

Congrats on your vacation and well-behaved prototype.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > rad_mike 11/25/2013 at 14:38

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Oh man. I'm getting loaded up right now with stuff.

But honestly there's a pretty simple format...try to push their nap closer to the flight IF U CAN lol. give a bottle during take off and landing. pray to god. hopefully success lol.

oh and the person talking about the aisle is good for getting up, but my kid was entertained for probably 20-30 minutes of the flight by me opening the window shade and him shutting it....it's the simple things.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 11/25/2013 at 14:40

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Somehow I got a look at one point because we had him laughing his ass off.

You clearly don't understand life if you are annoyed by baby laughter.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:40

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What? IF a laughing baby pisses you off, you CLEARLY need a baby in your life I'd say. I get all warm and fuzzy just thinking of a laughing baby.

I'd say you FAIL at life if a laughing baby annoys you :)

PatBateman > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:44

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Yeah... You can tell who has kids and who doesn't. "Babies made me miss sleep on a plane!!"

Just wait. The first few years of parenthood will make you realize that you had it easy. SOOOO easy.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > DrJohannVegas 11/25/2013 at 14:46

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I shall accept this response happily.

And thank you, I was pretty stressed about it. He needs a lot more attention than the first times we flew when he was about 4 months old (slept the whole time).

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > PatBateman 11/25/2013 at 14:47

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SOOOO EASY lol

I like how they whine about missing a bit of sleep and having to work.

Parents do that constantly.

CalzoneGolem > For Sweden 11/25/2013 at 14:52

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What's the difference?

CalzoneGolem > William Byrd 11/25/2013 at 14:53

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I'm a father of two. I keep telling myself that there is nothing I'd rather spend money on than the future of my children. One day I might believe it.

Brian, The Life of > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 14:59

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Thank you! This is so much First World Problems it's ridiculous.

Don't like flying with babies? Try a bus in a Central American mountain route with GOATS!

PatBateman > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 15:00

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I have three, and my youngest is 2. Lack of sleep is finally becoming a thing of the past for me after about 8.5 years of deprivation. But I still get the unscheduled visits at 4 am from a kid or two wanting breakfast and ready to start the day.

Suck it up, wuss. You aren't guaranteed sleep on a flight.

rad_mike > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 15:01

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Jesus. Your threaded is just stacked with real winners.

SPNKiX > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 15:04

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Agreed. Baffles me how people can complain about this. I sat adjacent to a baby who cried and complained from LA to Shanghai a couple months ago and so what? I got some ear plugs from the flight attendant and just dealt with the rest of the margin. I am not a baby myself and therefore do not need to act like these are special circumstances. I didn't like it; I did not a have a great flight but I don't need the legal system to change and I don't need a butt massage to help with the hurt.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Brian, The Life of 11/25/2013 at 15:05

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LOL!

fuck that I aint ridin with no goats... (hahaha)

Oh your noise cancelling head phones can't keep the seat still for you? fly first class then.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > PatBateman 11/25/2013 at 15:09

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Only thing you're guaranteed on a flight is a crappy seat, a free soda, a bag of pretzels/peanuts (sometimes!) and arriving alive.

Peaceful flying costs a lot more, in the form of a private jet!

and honestly our kid sleeps pretty great most nights. He does 8:30 PM - 7 AM on a pretty consistent basis so I normally get plenty. Sucks if I wanna stay up late though, because the wake up time never changes...

Speaking of no sleep, didnt get to bed until 2 last night. Damn furnace broke (needed a new ignitor) when we got back from our vacation. It's Michigan. Temp was 18 overnight. was trying to get someone out to fix it!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > rad_mike 11/25/2013 at 15:10

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I like how a guy just compared it to banning smoking. You know, that legitimate health risk to everyone on the plane.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > SPNKiX 11/25/2013 at 15:10

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Fantastically well said.

Noble Destro > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 15:16

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It's not baby bashing. I think it's good to stigmatize bad, selfish parenting.

Babies on planes aren't the problem. Parents who cannot control their kids are the problem. And I say this as a parent.

When my son was first born, guess what? We didn't travel on planes. We didn't go to expensive, romantic restaurants. We didn't see movies in the theater. You know how that worked out? Just fine.

We made a conscious choice that an infant was too young and unpredictable to take on a plane. So family flew to us. In most cases, parents do not need to travel with their children. Sure, if you're moving to a new city. But most times, it's just selfish ass people who want to go on vacation and the world should have to put up with their inept lack of ability to shut their kid up. Flying is not a right.

When you make a baby, you also make a choice to give up a few freedoms.

Babies are awesome! Parents are The Worst.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Noble Destro 11/25/2013 at 15:31

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We skip the romantic dinner (or get a babysitter, everyone needs a night out every once in a while). We havent been to a movie in 2 years. We need to travel on planes. It's just the situation our family is in. We have family that is physically unable to travel who want to see the baby.

I know you are calling out the shit parents who don't care, and I'm the polar opposite of that, but it still feels a little targeted.

And it's partly "baby bashing". The majority of these people hate on anyone who walks up with a baby where they know if that person is going to step up or not.

Stef Schrader > CalzoneGolem 11/25/2013 at 15:42

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Racecar > children. Fact!

{ looks at bank account }

Aw......crap.

rad_mike > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 16:11

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That was good. The guy informing you that you should have limited vacation destination options "for a few years" is solid as well.

Stef Schrader > Noble Destro 11/25/2013 at 16:14

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{ applauds }

I don't have kids. To be honest, I find really small children kind of annoying. I don't want kids, either, and I find that "you're gonna want them eventually" to be incredibly patronizing and insulting. Nope. Not for me.

And I agree 1000000% with everything you said.

I know everyone needs to travel, have nights out, etc.—but there's a line where it becomes a bad idea to take your kid out when you can't keep them under control. Find a babysitter or stay home .

Worst example I've encountered of bad toddler-toting decisions? I had to dodge parents with strollers at a music festival this year. LOUD concert. Infants. Strollers. That's not the place for a kid, guys. I'm pretty sure this is in the "this will damage your hearing" range, especially if you're a little kid. Bad parents. BAD.

I don't know the parents on Travis' flight, nor do I know the kid. Perhaps it was a fluke with a normally well-behaved infant, although given the discomfort that I get with the change in cabin pressure on a plane, that might make little kids go off more than they usually would. I don't know—I haven't flown in a long, long time.

But to be honest, there are so many bad parents out there who can't control their offspring that I can't really fault him for being cranky and ranty. I'm guessing this is a rant that's been stewing for a while in there. Let him have his moment, I say, but he's wrong insofar that good parents shouldn't have to suffer and not travel due to the actions of the ones with unruly kids.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > rad_mike 11/25/2013 at 16:26

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Oh yeah. I love that one, not the first I've heard it. Apparently his grandparents that live a 16 hour (god, I would expect 20 hour with an infant) drive away will never see their grandson until he's 2.

Btw aren't 2 year olds WORSE on the plane?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > rad_mike 11/25/2013 at 16:35

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OOOO check out this one, i made a joke and DAMN

internet tough guy of the day award!

http://jalopnik.com/i-literally-fu…

rad_mike > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 16:53

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Yeah, because they want to move constantly. I only have one kid, and he's only 4 months old, so I'm speaking from what my friends tell me. BTW - that bottle trick on takeoff/landing, my wife may know this but I didn't. Makes a lot of sense - thanks for that.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > rad_mike 11/25/2013 at 16:57

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Absolutely, and for the record it was easier at 4 months old...they are happy being still a lot more at that age. (listen to me like some kind of seasoned parent with 1 ten month old lol).

Honestly though it helps pop their ears just like us chewing gum. The flight attendant on our flight TO vacation even stopped by and told my wife she could stand up and bounce him for a minute while the seat belt light was on as long as she felt safe. Delta did a great job...hooked him up with a little set of wings too haha.

PatBateman > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 11/25/2013 at 19:07

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My baby (toddler, but you know what I mean) has slept through the night since she was about 3 months old. That still doesn't mean there aren't nights where that isn't the case. And I hear you when it comes to late nights. Reveille doesn't get pushed back a few hours when you have small ones.

18?!?! I was unaware that Michigan was in the Arctic Circle (said the Texan).

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > PatBateman 11/26/2013 at 10:31

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LOL this is just November, get back to me in January/February...the cold months and I'll let you know what the temp is.

When I was going to Michigan State one year I remember in February we had temps at -20 or colder for 3 weeks straight with wind chills into the -30s.

Thankfully the metro-detroit area gets a little less snow and a little warmer temp than East Lansing, MI does. Imagine if I lived in the Upper Penninsula of Michigan!!! They get a lot colder and waaaaaay more snow.